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I love the Wembley record great to be the biggest small club in the worldMajor honours and other achievements:
Charlton Athletic won the FA Cup in 1947. Bizarrely, they have an appalling record in cup competitions other than that 1947 victory and Runners-Up medal in 1946, only getting past the 5th Round of the FA Cup on seven occasions in their entire history; compared to Millwall, who have got past the 5th Round 11 times and are recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history, having knocked out more holders and reigning Champions than any other club. Charlton have played in two finals, impressively back-to-back (1946 and 1947); Millwall only one (2004; although did reach the 1945 War-Time FA Cup Final), Charlton have played in two FA Cup Semi-Finals, again back-to-back (1946 & 1947), compared to Millwall’s five FA Cup Semi-Final appearances (1900, 1903, 1937, 2004 and 2013).
Millwall do have an excellent FA Youth Cup pedigree too, having reached three finals (1979, 1991 and 1994) and winning two of them (1979 and 1991). Charlton Athletic were Runners-Up in 1987.
Millwall, technically, have won a major honour. The Football League Trophy started as a competition that included clubs from all four divisions and so when Millwall won it in 1983 it was technically a major honour by definition, with that season’s First Division Runners-Up Watford one of the participants. However, sadly this pales into insignificance compared to Charlton’s FA Cup win, which Millwall, as officially the best giant killers in FA Cup history, are rightly envious of.
Millwall are the only south London club to have competed in a major European competition, the 2004/05 UEFA Cup and remain unbeaten on home soil in Europe, having held Hungarian Champions Ferencvaros to a 1-1 draw at The Den. Sadly, the team packed with internationals were too strong in Budapest and Millwall lost 3-1.
Millwall once went 59 consecutive home league games unbeaten, an achievement only surpassed by Nottingham Forest, Liverpool and Chelsea. Millwall have also remained unbeaten at home on five different occasions and in four different divisions.
Millwall hold the record for most home league goals scored in a season – 87 in 1927/28.
Millwall hold the record for most official fans at both the old and new Wembley stadiums: 47,349 v Wigan Athletic in the 1999 Auto Windscreens Shield Final and 49,661 for the League One Play-Off Final v Scunthorpe United in 2009.
Charlton Athletic hold the 8th highest ever home attendance in English football, with a crowd of 75,031 for a FA Cup 5th Round match v Aston Villa in 1938.
Charlton Athletic hold the joint record for highest ever scoring draw, when they drew 6-6 with Middlesbrough in 1960.
Charlton Athletic are the only club to ever lose an FA Cup game but still reach the final. The 1945/46 FA Cup had a two-leg format to help boast club coffers after the war and Charlton lost 2-1 away to Fulham in the 3rd Round, but had already won the first leg 3-1. They lost 4-1 to Derby County in the final.
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What an interesting piece well done and researchedThis is one of the most local of local derbies in the country, with The Valley and The Den only 4 miles apart as the crow flies. However, it only became a local derby when two important events took place: Millwall moving across the river in 1910 and Charlton finally turning professional in 1920.
Millwall were founded by a group of tin smiths working at the Morton & Co. cannery and preserve factory beside the Millwall Dock on the Isle of Dogs in 1885. The idea was simply to give other local sides a decent game. However, by the 1890s Millwall were the joint pioneers (with Arsenal) of professional football in London and the south, an area where football was still considered the preserve of gentleman and amateurs. Millwall founded the Southern League, the first professional league in the south, and were its dominant force, winning the first title without defeat and the second having only lost once. The Football League invited the club to join their Second Division, but Millwall declined, citing travel expenses as a barrier. During this period the Millwall earned their now famous nickname of ‘Lions’. They had been known as the ‘Dockers’, but victories over the northern and midlands giants of Aston Villa, Derby County, Preston North End and Everton on runs to the FA Cup Semi-Finals of 1900 and 1903 led to the press of the era calling the club the ‘Lions of the South’. Millwall decided to cross over the Thames in 1910, having outgrown their cramped island home, but many Dockers from the East End joined their brothers in the Surrey Docks area in following the club in their new New Cross home.
Charlton Athletic were founded, much like Millwall, by a group of friends in 1905. Charlton got the nickname the Addicks on account of some of the very first players working in a fish and chip shop owned by Arthur Bryan, who took to attending matches in his straw boater and apron, waving a smoked haddock on the end of a stick. It is interesting that these young friends chose the suffix of ‘Athletic’ for their new team, what with Millwall Athletic playing literally just over the river in North Greenwich at the time, a team considered one of the leading lights of London and southern football in the decade leading up to Charlton’s formation. Unlike Millwall, Charlton Athletic were happy with simply remaining a strong local amateur side, only becoming a senior club after Arsenal left Woolwich in 1913 and not turning professional until they had witnessed fellow SE London clubs Millwall and Crystal Palace join the Football League in 1920 as founding members of the Third Division, which was essentially absorbing the Southern League Millwall had pioneered 25 years previously into the Football League. When the Football League decided to have a Third Division (South) and a Third Division (North) in 1921, it created two extra places and the newly professional Charlton Athletic were accepted into the Football League for the 1921/22 season, after spending the previous 16 years essentially playing as a local park side and a SE London derby with Millwall was born. Unable to attract decent crowds Charlton did experiment with playing in Catford soon after joining the League, but soon returned to SE7.
The only two decades that the two SE London rivals have not met is the 1940s (3 seasons) and the 1950s.
Millwall and Charlton Athletic have played each other 74 times (72 in the league and 2 in Anglo-Italian Cup), with Millwall winning 35 times, compared to 12 wins for Charlton Athletic and 27 draws.
Millwall have only lost 6 league games to Charlton in the last 84 years.
Charlton have only ever won four league games at The Den (old and new) and one in the Anglo-Italian Cup in their history.
Charlton have done the league double over Millwall three times - 1921/22 (their first season in FL), 1934/35 and 1995/96.
Millwall have done the league double over Charlton nine times - 1923/24, 1924/25, 1931/32, 1932/33, 1968/69, 1970/71, 1971/72, 1988/89, 1992/93.
Millwall have not lost in the last ten meetings, winning 5 and drawing 5, scoring 16 goals and conceding 9.
The first meeting was on New Year’s Eve 1921 at The Den in front of 25,000 and ended 1-0 to the visitors. The first meeting at The Valley was on the 14th of January 1922 and ended 2-1 to the Addicks in front of 18,000. Charlton wouldn’t taste success again in this fixture for a further 8 years and 14 meetings. Millwall’s first win came the following season, 2-1 at The Valley on 11th November 1922, having drawn 1-1 at The Den the previous Saturday.
If you accept that a thrashing is a victory by 3 or more goals, Millwall have handed Charlton a thrashing on seven occasions: 4-1 at The Valley in 1926; 3-0 at The Den 1926; 5-0 at The Den in 1928; 6-0 at The Den in 1931; 4-1 at The Valley in 1933; 3-0 at Selhurst Park in 1988; and 4-0 at The Den in 2010.
Charlton have never beaten Millwall by more than two clear goals.
The highest scoring match was on 19th December 2009 in League One, when the Lions grabbed a stoppage time equaliser to make it 4-4 at The Valley.
Both Millwall and Charlton Athletic are historically second tier clubs at heart. Indeed, very few clubs have played as much second tier football as Millwall and Charlton have, in fact only Cardiff City (47 seasons) of the clubs that joined the Football League in the early 1920s have. Millwall having played 43 seasons of second tier football in their history and Charlton Athletic 46 seasons. Since the introduction of the four divisions in 1958, Millwall’s average finishing position is 42nd, and Charlton Athletic’s average finishing position in that time is 33rd – making both Championship level clubs on average. In the last ten years Millwall have played seven seasons of Championship football compared to Charlton Athletic’s four seasons.
I went to that ango tango game, alan McCleary played and scored for them.This is one of the most local of local derbies in the country, with The Valley and The Den only 4 miles apart as the crow flies. However, it only became a local derby when two important events took place: Millwall moving across the river in 1910 and Charlton finally turning professional in 1920.
Millwall were founded by a group of tin smiths working at the Morton & Co. cannery and preserve factory beside the Millwall Dock on the Isle of Dogs in 1885. The idea was simply to give other local sides a decent game. However, by the 1890s Millwall were the joint pioneers (with Arsenal) of professional football in London and the south, an area where football was still considered the preserve of gentleman and amateurs. Millwall founded the Southern League, the first professional league in the south, and were its dominant force, winning the first title without defeat and the second having only lost once. The Football League invited the club to join their Second Division, but Millwall declined, citing travel expenses as a barrier. During this period the Millwall earned their now famous nickname of ‘Lions’. They had been known as the ‘Dockers’, but victories over the northern and midlands giants of Aston Villa, Derby County, Preston North End and Everton on runs to the FA Cup Semi-Finals of 1900 and 1903 led to the press of the era calling the club the ‘Lions of the South’. Millwall decided to cross over the Thames in 1910, having outgrown their cramped island home, but many Dockers from the East End joined their brothers in the Surrey Docks area in following the club in their new New Cross home.
Charlton Athletic were founded, much like Millwall, by a group of friends in 1905. Charlton got the nickname the Addicks on account of some of the very first players working in a fish and chip shop owned by Arthur Bryan, who took to attending matches in his straw boater and apron, waving a smoked haddock on the end of a stick. It is interesting that these young friends chose the suffix of ‘Athletic’ for their new team, what with Millwall Athletic playing literally just over the river in North Greenwich at the time, a team considered one of the leading lights of London and southern football in the decade leading up to Charlton’s formation. Unlike Millwall, Charlton Athletic were happy with simply remaining a strong local amateur side, only becoming a senior club after Arsenal left Woolwich in 1913 and not turning professional until they had witnessed fellow SE London clubs Millwall and Crystal Palace join the Football League in 1920 as founding members of the Third Division, which was essentially absorbing the Southern League Millwall had pioneered 25 years previously into the Football League. When the Football League decided to have a Third Division (South) and a Third Division (North) in 1921, it created two extra places and the newly professional Charlton Athletic were accepted into the Football League for the 1921/22 season, after spending the previous 16 years essentially playing as a local park side and a SE London derby with Millwall was born. Unable to attract decent crowds Charlton did experiment with playing in Catford soon after joining the League, but soon returned to SE7.
The only two decades that the two SE London rivals have not met is the 1940s (3 seasons) and the 1950s.
Millwall and Charlton Athletic have played each other 74 times (72 in the league and 2 in Anglo-Italian Cup), with Millwall winning 35 times, compared to 12 wins for Charlton Athletic and 27 draws.
Millwall have only lost 6 league games to Charlton in the last 84 years.
Charlton have only ever won four league games at The Den (old and new) and one in the Anglo-Italian Cup in their history.
Charlton have done the league double over Millwall three times - 1921/22 (their first season in FL), 1934/35 and 1995/96.
Millwall have done the league double over Charlton nine times - 1923/24, 1924/25, 1931/32, 1932/33, 1968/69, 1970/71, 1971/72, 1988/89, 1992/93.
Millwall have not lost in the last ten meetings, winning 5 and drawing 5, scoring 16 goals and conceding 9.
The first meeting was on New Year’s Eve 1921 at The Den in front of 25,000 and ended 1-0 to the visitors. The first meeting at The Valley was on the 14th of January 1922 and ended 2-1 to the Addicks in front of 18,000. Charlton wouldn’t taste success again in this fixture for a further 8 years and 14 meetings. Millwall’s first win came the following season, 2-1 at The Valley on 11th November 1922, having drawn 1-1 at The Den the previous Saturday.
If you accept that a thrashing is a victory by 3 or more goals, Millwall have handed Charlton a thrashing on seven occasions: 4-1 at The Valley in 1926; 3-0 at The Den 1926; 5-0 at The Den in 1928; 6-0 at The Den in 1931; 4-1 at The Valley in 1933; 3-0 at Selhurst Park in 1988; and 4-0 at The Den in 2010.
Charlton have never beaten Millwall by more than two clear goals.
The highest scoring match was on 19th December 2009 in League One, when the Lions grabbed a stoppage time equaliser to make it 4-4 at The Valley.
Both Millwall and Charlton Athletic are historically second tier clubs at heart. Indeed, very few clubs have played as much second tier football as Millwall and Charlton have, in fact only Cardiff City (47 seasons) of the clubs that joined the Football League in the early 1920s have. Millwall having played 43 seasons of second tier football in their history and Charlton Athletic 46 seasons. Since the introduction of the four divisions in 1958, Millwall’s average finishing position is 42nd, and Charlton Athletic’s average finishing position in that time is 33rd – making both Championship level clubs on average. In the last ten years Millwall have played seven seasons of Championship football compared to Charlton Athletic’s four seasons.